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Visa trials tokenized deposits with HSBC using CBDC for interbank settlement
November 02, 2023
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As part of Hong Kong’s central bank digital currency (CBDC) trials, Visa worked with HSBC and HSBC-owned Hang Seng bank on tokenized deposit trials. While B2B payments used tokenized commercial bank money, the hypothetical eHKD CBDC was used for the interbank settlement of the deposit tokens.

The two use cases in the experiment were for high value property payments and for the settlement of credit card transactions between the acquiring bank and the merchant.

Particularly in the real estate example, blockchain enables atomic settlement where the payment and the asset both happen simultaneously. This reduces settlement risk. Otherwise, someone can pay for the real estate, but the transfer of the property title might not occur simultaneously. Additionally, in Hong Kong there are transaction limits for using the faster payment system (FPS). The typical consumer limit is around HK$10,000 but regular business users can get far higher limits of HK$1 million to HK$1.5 million.

How tokenized deposits work

With stablecoins, the tokens are typically minted and then used in numerous transactions. Eventually they might be burned and converted back to conventional money. In contrast, with interbank tokenized deposit payments, theoretically, every transaction involves two parts – the minting and burning of tokens plus the interbank settlement. That interbank settlement can happen once a day, which creates some risk if a bank is not so stable. Or it’s possible to do the interbank leg in real time. 

The real time aspect is what the eHKD trial tested. It involved burning tokenized deposits on the sending bank’s blockchain and minting the money on the recipient bank’s ledger. At the same time, the interbank amount is settled by a real time CBDC transfer.

What makes a good digital currency?

Meanwhile, Visa’s Stuart Smith, who heads product development for tokenized deposits and CBDC, outlined what makes a good digital currency. Talking during today’s Hong Kong Fintech Week, he said the two stand-out use cases for digital currencies are cross border payments and delivery versus payment (DvP). With DvP, financial transactions are settled by exchanging the asset and the money simultaneously. This avoids any settlement risk where one transaction party could end up out of pocket.

“For digital assets to achieve adoption, there are a few things they need. This could be CBDC or a tokenized deposit,” 

 

“The first is you need trust from the user that the technology is secure. The second is that the digital currency needs to be interoperable. It needs to be extensible beyond just the one ledger. And then third, there has to be a very clear user value proposition. Why would a user actually adopt this versus their traditional means of payment? ~said Smith.

This latter point is sometimes lost. Most domestic faster payment systems support fast and efficient transactions. The two stand out benefits of using digital currency are programmability and DvP or atomic settlement. Sometimes another benefit is 24/7 payments, but faster payment systems often provide that as well.

Meanwhile, HSBC was involved in another tokenized deposit trial with Ant Group.

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Blackrock possess a strategic depth that goes far beyond initial appearances. When the general market perceives selling and traders respond with emotion, these major players are often operating on a much more profound level. They adeptly identify and leverage every available mechanism to influence market dynamics. Their power isn't in direct control of the asset, but in understanding how to move the market without ever taking direct ownership.

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It's the one with the massive treasury holdings, known as Microstrategy.

 

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This reliance on significant debt creates an inherent vulnerability—a dependence on creditors and shareholders. When an entity's position is highly leveraged, that dependence makes them susceptible to market manipulation or strategic pressure from external financial forces.

When a highly leveraged corporate holder of a significant asset (like $BTC) faces external financial stress, that pressure inevitably transfers to the asset itself.

Blackrock's goal isn't to induce a market crash, but rather to establish a dominant position and control.

Any substantial sale of major cryptocurrencies like $BTC or $ETH initiated by Blackrock, can be interpreted not as routine trading, but as a deliberate effort to manipulate market sentiment and pricing.

Blackrock is deploying a sophisticated combination of tactics: they simultaneously generate market volatility through strategic sales of the asset ($BTC) while accumulating shares in key corporate holders (the stock symbolized by $MSTR).

The deeper intent is to leverage this equity stake to direct the corporate strategy of the highly leveraged Bitcoin champion.

With a sufficiently large ownership percentage, this influence becomes highly effective. The resulting market power is therefore a function of both manipulating price movement and controlling corporate policy.

Is Microstrategy (the company represented by the $MSTR stock) vulnerable to this kind of pressure? The evidence suggests yes.

A substantial stake held by Blackrock grants them effective leverage to influence and manipulate the company itself.

When the company's shares experience a significant decline, the leadership is often compelled to take action, potentially buying back their own stock. This action is driven by the fact that falling share prices directly intensify financial and market pressure on the entire organization.

If the stock of Microstrategy continues a sustained decline, lenders will inevitably begin to re-evaluate and revise the terms of existing loans. This is a critical point of failure for the entire strategy.

The fundamental operational model of this corporate champion works like a closed loop:

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Crucially, the ongoing interest payments on this substantial debt are often managed by the mechanism of issuing even more shares, creating a continuous cycle of dilution and reliance on a high stock price.

A major consequence of rising leverage is the escalating cost of borrowing, requiring Microstrategy to source even larger amounts of capital.

The most straightforward solution—to issue and sell more stock—proved to be insufficient.

In fact, the situation worsened: the company’s recent attempt to raise funds through a stock offering did not fully sell out. This failure directly resulted in a significant liquidity shortfall, hamstringing Microstrategy’s ability to meet its financial obligations and continue its asset acquisition strategy.

And the ultimate shock came when Microstrategy—the very entity that vowed it would never liquidate its holdings—began to sell.

These weren't insignificant trades; the sales were valued at billions of dollars.

The key question now becomes: Does this sudden, massive reversal signal the imminent collapse of Microstrategy, or is it simply a necessary, albeit drastic, maneuver of 'business as usual' under extreme duress?

There appear to be two primary strategic objectives behind Blackrock's calculated moves:

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During my recent podcast interview with Joe Rogan (accessible here), I had mentioned the unfortunate circumstances, under which NASA had not released for four weeks the images collected by the HiRISE camera onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. These images were taken on October 2–3, 2025, when the interstellar object 3I/ATLAS passed within 30 million kilometers from Mars. The images are extremely valuable scientifically because they possess a spatial resolution of 30 kilometers per pixel, about 3 times better than the spatial resolution achieved in the best publicly available image from the Hubble Space Telescope, taken on July 21, 2025 (accessible here and analyzed here). Whereas the Hubble image was taken from an edge-on perspective since Earth and the Sun were separated by only ~10 degrees relative to distant 3I/ATLAS, the HiRISE image offers a sideways perspective, valuable in decoding the mass loss geometry and glow around as it approached the Sun.

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New Human Force
Join this Now! YOU have what it takes!

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Officialdom is clueless.

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